Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/25/2008 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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+ SB 223 G.O. BONDS FOR CRIME LAB TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 224 G.O. BONDS FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 236 TRANSPORTATION FUND TELECONFERENCED
Bill Postponed To 02/27/08
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                     February 25, 2008                                                                                          
                         9:06 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate  Finance Committee meeting                                                                   
to order at 9:06:20 AM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
John  Glass,  Deputy  Commissioner,    Department  of  Public                                                                   
Safety; Jerry  Burnett, Director, Division  of Administrative                                                                   
Services,  Department  of  Revenue;  Frank  Richards,  Deputy                                                                   
Commissioner of  Highways & Public Facilities,  Department of                                                                   
Transportation   and   Public   Facilities;   Jeff   Ottesen,                                                                   
Director,  Division  of Program  Development,  Department  of                                                                   
Transportation   and   Public   Facilities;   Nancy   Slagle,                                                                   
Director, Division of Administrative  Services, Department of                                                                   
Transportation and  Public Facilities; James  King, Director,                                                                   
Division  of  Parks and  Outdoor  Recreation,  Department  of                                                                   
Natural Resources                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Matt   Tanaka,   Engineer,   Construction   and   Operations,                                                                   
Department  of  Transportation  and Public  Facilities;  Orin                                                                   
Dym,  Forensic  Lab Manager,  Department  of  Public  Safety;                                                                   
Governor Bill  Sheffield, Director,  Port of Anchorage;  John                                                                   
Duffy, Borough  Manager, MatSu Borough; Former  Governor Bill                                                                   
Sheffield, Director, Port of Anchorage                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 223    "An Act providing for  and relating to the issuance                                                                   
          of general obligation bonds for the purpose of                                                                        
          paying the cost of a scientific crime detection                                                                       
          laboratory; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          SB 223 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 224    "An Act providing for  and relating to the issuance                                                                   
          of general obligation bonds for the purpose of                                                                        
          paying the cost of state transportation projects;                                                                     
          and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          SB 224 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 236    "An  Act  establishing  the  Alaska  transportation                                                                   
          fund and relating to the fund; and providing for                                                                      
          an effective date."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          SB 236 was scheduled but not heard.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:07:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 223                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  providing for and  relating to the  issuance of                                                                   
     general obligation  bonds for the purpose  of paying the                                                                   
     cost  of a  scientific crime  detection laboratory;  and                                                                   
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  GLASS,   DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT   OF  PUBLIC                                                                   
SAFETY, related  that the bill seeks funding  through general                                                                   
obligation  bonds  for a  state  crime lab.    In 2004-5  the                                                                   
legislature appropriated  $4.8 million for the  review design                                                                   
and construction  of a scientific  crime lab.  Based  on that                                                                   
legislation,  the  Department  of Transportation  and  Public                                                                   
Facilities  (DOT)   contracted  with  Livingston   Sloan  and                                                                   
Associates,   an   architecture   firm  in   Anchorage,   who                                                                   
subcontracted to  a firm from  Virginia, McClaren,  Wilson, &                                                                   
Lowrie, who put together a proposal  for a crime lab into the                                                                   
future.    The  plan  came back  as  an  83,000  square  foot                                                                   
building to house current and future needs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Glass reported that the 14,000  square foot current crime                                                                   
lab was built in  1986 to house 14 people.   It now houses 41                                                                   
people.   With the  onset of  DNA testing  in 1994,  the work                                                                   
load increased exponentially.   The crime lab is only able to                                                                   
process 350  of 1,000 DNA samples  each month, due to  a lack                                                                   
of space.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Glass  noted  that  34  properties   in  Anchorage  were                                                                   
evaluated  resulting in  15 acres  of land  just west of  the                                                                   
current crime lab being selected.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:11:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton said  he was  convinced  of the  need for  the                                                                   
facility.    He  requested more  information  about  how  the                                                                   
square footage  and the price  tag for the lab  were decided.                                                                   
Mr.  Glass explained  that McClaren,  Wilson,  & Lowrie  made                                                                   
those determinations.   It would  take 57,000 square  feet to                                                                   
meet today's  needs; however,  the plan is  to build  for the                                                                   
future and for  expected expansion.  Senator  Elton asked who                                                                   
McClaren,  Wilson, &  Lowrie are.   Mr.  Glass reported  that                                                                   
they are an architectural firm  specializing in the design of                                                                   
crime  labs.   The  forensic lab  supervisor,  Orin Dym,  has                                                                   
participated with Mr. Lowrie in  two crime laboratories built                                                                   
in Arizona.  The staff at the  crime lab has also contributed                                                                   
to the design plan.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for more  information about the $1,000                                                                   
per square foot cost.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:14:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MATT   TANAKA,   ENGINEER,   CONSTRUCTION   AND   OPERATIONS,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF  TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC  FACILITIES, replied                                                                   
that the $1,000 figure is the  project cost and excludes site                                                                   
development  and lab equipment  costs.   The cost per  square                                                                   
foot from  $1,000 - $1,300  for laboratories is  because they                                                                   
are full of equipment and very dense.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked if there  were any overlap of services                                                                   
from the  Fairbanks Virology Lab.   Mr. Glass  explained that                                                                   
anything that  could be done in  the virology lab  is already                                                                   
being  done in  the  crime lab.    The science  criteria  are                                                                   
different in a virology lab.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  about  the possibility  of a  phased                                                                   
construction  plan  with the  current  facility.   Mr.  Glass                                                                   
pointed out the  increased costs of $6 to $10  million a year                                                                   
for delaying  construction with a  phased plan.   The current                                                                   
construction is  a 3.5 year plan.   He explained how  a piece                                                                   
of evidence moves  between labs within the building.   Moving                                                                   
evidence  from  one  building  to  another  brings  up  cross                                                                   
contamination and custody issues.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:17:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  asked  about  the  Division  of  Elections                                                                   
fiscal note #1.   He wondered if the only  public information                                                                   
for  about the  project would  be contained  in the  election                                                                   
pamphlet at the  cost of $1,500.  He asked if  there were any                                                                   
other  efforts  to  convince  the  general  public  that  the                                                                   
facility is  needed.  Mr. Glass  replied that there  would be                                                                   
additional  presentations to  the public.   Co-Chair  Hoffman                                                                   
asked if  those expenditures  were within  the Department  of                                                                   
Public Safety budget.  Mr. Glass  said yes.  Co-Chair Hoffman                                                                   
asked which communities would  have presentations.  Mr. Glass                                                                   
offered  to go  to  as many  places as  he  could because  he                                                                   
strongly believes in the need  for a new crime lab.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Hoffman thought  there needed to  be a broad base  of support                                                                   
for the project.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:20:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked about  operational costs  to maintain                                                                   
the facility.   Mr. Glass reported  that he only has  a rough                                                                   
estimate of those costs based  on the two current state labs;                                                                   
$1.3  million per  year.   Co-Chair  Hoffman  asked if  there                                                                   
would  be  a  need  for  more  than  the  current  number  of                                                                   
positions.   Mr.  Glass noted  that currently  there were  41                                                                   
positions,  with  the  possible  addition of  only  one  more                                                                   
maintenance position.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wondered  why  there was  a  need for  more                                                                   
square  footage,  but not  for  more  employees.   Mr.  Glass                                                                   
explained that  41 employees are  working in a  14,000 square                                                                   
foot building.   They will move  into a facility  with 83,000                                                                   
square feet.  He described the  currently crowded conditions.                                                                   
He referred  to a  bill from last  year which allocated  five                                                                   
new DNA  analysts.   Down the road  more disciplines  will be                                                                   
added.     Toxicology  is   currently  being  outsourced   to                                                                   
Washington.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman concluded  it  was a  six-time increase  in                                                                   
square footage.  He wondered how  to sell that concept to the                                                                   
public.  He asked  about the need for such a  large expansion                                                                   
and requested  more information  about  what would happen  to                                                                   
the old  crime lab  building.   Mr. Glass  reported that  the                                                                   
existing  facility  would  be   converted  to  office  space,                                                                   
preferably  for the department.   The  current building  does                                                                   
not  handle the  large amount  of  heat generated  well.   He                                                                   
described how cramped  the current space is.   The garage for                                                                   
processing  vehicles  is  very crowded  and  requires  moving                                                                   
items out of the way in order to examine a vehicle.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:26:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson wondered  about locating  the crime  lab in  a                                                                   
less expensive area  of the state, such as Kenai.   Mr. Glass                                                                   
reported  that  other  areas had  been  considered;  however,                                                                   
Anchorage is the center of transportation.   Mr. Glass shared                                                                   
that 72 percent of the crime lab  business is from Anchorage,                                                                   
and  involves  custody issues.    The department  is  working                                                                   
through  the Heritage  Land Bank  to purchase  15.3 acres  of                                                                   
land on a 40-year lease at no cost to the state.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson asked  what portion  of the  evidence is  time                                                                   
sensitive and  needs to be close  to the airport.   Mr. Glass                                                                   
said it is more a matter of convenience.   He gave an example                                                                   
of bringing evidence  from Nome and the  potential difficulty                                                                   
of transporting it  to places other than Anchorage.   Senator                                                                   
Olson thought  it would be  cheaper to  fly to Kenai  than to                                                                   
drive there.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:29:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked about page  2, section 3 of  the bill                                                                   
regarding  the amount  referred to  in the  fiscal note.   It                                                                   
says there will be a laboratory  project fund of $100 million                                                                   
and up to $6 million in anticipated  investment earnings.  He                                                                   
wondered if it  is the intent that the $100  million would be                                                                   
set up  in an  investment account  once the  bonds were  sold                                                                   
and, before the construction commences,  the department would                                                                   
earn $6  million.  He  questioned if  it is $6 million  above                                                                   
and beyond the  $100 million.  Mr. Glass replied  that the $6                                                                   
million would be  in addition to the $100 million.   Co-Chair                                                                   
Hoffman  said the  fiscal note  was not correct.   Mr.  Glass                                                                   
explained  that  the fiscal  note  is  correct in  that  $100                                                                   
million is  requested and $6  million is interest.   Co-Chair                                                                   
Hoffman clarified that the interest  on $100 million would be                                                                   
$6 million  in investment earnings.   Mr. Glass said  that is                                                                   
what  is anticipated.   Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  how long  it                                                                   
would take  to earn the $6  million.  The fiscal  note states                                                                   
that there  would be approval  by November 2008 and  the debt                                                                   
service   would  commence   by   2010,   which  would   allow                                                                   
approximately  two   years  to  construct  the   funds.    He                                                                   
requested  a  time  table  as  to  how  the  money  would  be                                                                   
invested.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:32:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   asked  if  $100  million   would  include                                                                   
necessary equipment.  Mr. Glass said it would.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas asked if the building  is a re-creation of the                                                                   
other two previous designs with  savings in mind.  Mr. Tanaka                                                                   
related  that it  is  the third  project  he  has managed  in                                                                   
Alaska.   He  explained  that  there are  some  commonalities                                                                   
between the labs,  but crime labs are very  specific in their                                                                   
needs and  require custom  design.  He  said reported  on how                                                                   
the  crime  lab  was designed  with  the  expertise  of  Bill                                                                   
Lowrie.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  asked if a crime  lab worked well  in another                                                                   
state, would it  be possible to eliminate some  of the design                                                                   
work for an  Alaskan model.  He  asked if the design  cost is                                                                   
about 10  percent of  the total project.   Mr. Tanaka  agreed                                                                   
that it was about  10 percent.  He explained  what the design                                                                   
work entails.  He assured the  committee of the design team's                                                                   
credentials.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  asked where DNA  is handled now and  how much                                                                   
it costs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ORIN DYM, FORENSIC LAB MANAGER,  DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY,                                                                   
explained  that all  DNA  criminal casework  is  done in  the                                                                   
crime  lab.   The  database  samples  have  been  outsourced;                                                                   
however, with the  HB 90, those will be moving  in house. The                                                                   
staff  is currently  41 people  with  the need  for one  more                                                                   
custodial  position.    Over twenty  years  the  staff  would                                                                   
increase to 62 employees.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:38:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson asked  about the  $4.8  million allocated  for                                                                   
design  money.  Mr.  Tanaka replied  that money  was part  of                                                                   
project costs.   The money requested  in the current  bill is                                                                   
for  completion  of  the  design   and  construction  of  the                                                                   
building.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton asked how the cost  per square foot compares to                                                                   
the DEC lab cost.  He wondered  if the people involved in the                                                                   
design of  the crime lab  are involved  in the design  of the                                                                   
DEC lab.   He  mentioned several  problems  with the DEC  lab                                                                   
design.   Mr. Tanaka said he  was the project manager  of the                                                                   
DEC  lab  and   the  virology  lab.    The   same  architect,                                                                   
Livingston Sloan was  used for both of those labs  as well as                                                                   
for the  Public Health  Lab Medical  Examiners facility.   He                                                                   
reported  on the  risks  and  problems in  designing  complex                                                                   
labs.  He described a high rate of confidence in his team.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton requested  the cost per square foot  of the DEC                                                                   
lab.  Mr.  Tanaka reported that  the DEC lab cost  about $950                                                                   
per  square foot,  the virology  lab cost  $1,140 per  square                                                                   
foot,  and the crime  lab will  cost about  $1000 per  square                                                                   
foot.   The  differences in  cost are  not that  significant.                                                                   
The DEC  and virology lab costs  were based on  market prices                                                                   
and  based  on   real  construction  dollars.     He  further                                                                   
explained how the figures were  determined for the crime lab.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:43:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman requested  a  written  response to  Senator                                                                   
Elton's  question  regarding  financial  comparisons  of  the                                                                   
projects,   including  beyond   square   footage  costs   and                                                                   
contingency numbers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  asked if the project  was out to bid  and how                                                                   
contractors were selected.  Mr.  Tanaka replied that they are                                                                   
using  a  project delivery  system  called  the  construction                                                                   
management   general  contractor   approach  which   involves                                                                   
competitive   solicitation  nationally.     Contractors   are                                                                   
brought on as an  advisor during the design phase.   They are                                                                   
currently in  the schematic design  phase - about  25 percent                                                                   
complete.   The  contractors, architect,  and engineers  base                                                                   
costs on  a partially  completed design.   The contractor  is                                                                   
retained as a part of the team through completion.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  what has been  appropriated  so far.                                                                   
Mr.  Tanaka replied  that a  $4.8  million appropriation  was                                                                   
made for  the planning phase with  the intent to apply  for a                                                                   
supplemental request.  Co-Chair  Stedman summarized that $4.8                                                                   
million was appropriated in 2006.   He asked what the balance                                                                   
was.   Mr. Tanaka  reported that there  was about  $3 million                                                                   
left.    Co-Chair  Stedman  thought   the  appropriation  was                                                                   
charitable.   Mr.  Tanaka  emphasized that  it  all would  be                                                                   
needed.    Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  about  the  supplemental                                                                   
appropriation  request.   He corrected  that it  was just  an                                                                   
appropriation.   Mr. Tanaka said  that was correct; it  is an                                                                   
appropriation to finish the project.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:48:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   asked  about   plans  for  the   existing                                                                   
facility.  Mr.  Glass explained plans to move  the department                                                                   
into  the  space  for several  purposes:  a  sexual  offender                                                                   
registration  office, Alcohol  Beverage Control (ABC)  Board,                                                                   
and an investigative  unit.  He explained the  amount of foot                                                                   
traffic associated with the ABC  Board.  A university lab has                                                                   
also  been   considered.    The   building  belongs   to  the                                                                   
Department  of  Public Safety.    Co-Chair Hoffman  asked  if                                                                   
there would  be costs for  renovation for the  use described.                                                                   
Mr.  Glass said  there would  be,  but he  could not  provide                                                                   
specific details about costs.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked about the possibility  of a long-term                                                                   
lease rather  than purchasing  the land.   Mr. Glass  replied                                                                   
that the  Bureau of  Land Management  has given  the land  to                                                                   
Anchorage and there are federal requirements.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:51:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked about  the 40-year lease  contingency                                                                   
plan.   Mr.  Glass said  that there  are several  contingency                                                                   
plans.   One is a 10-year reopener.   Currently, there are no                                                                   
charges  for laboratory  services.   Nationwide  no  agencies                                                                   
charge  for state  services.   Mr. Glass  maintained that  he                                                                   
does not  want the state  to be stuck  with charging  for lab                                                                   
services.  A 10-year  reopener would address that.    The 40-                                                                   
year lease  is a  long term  lease with  options after  that,                                                                   
such as two 10-year options or  two 20-year options.  This is                                                                   
still    being   negotiated    with    the   Department    of                                                                   
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Thomas asked  how big  the property  is.  Mr.  Glass                                                                   
said 15.3  acres.  Senator Thomas  asked about any  plans for                                                                   
intervention to prevent  crime.  Mr. Glass agreed  that there                                                                   
needs  to  be more  prevention.    He  pointed out  that  DNA                                                                   
testing also releases innocent people.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:55:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY   BURNETT,   DIRECTOR,   DIVISION   OF   ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                   
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,  in response to  a question                                                                   
from Co-Chair  Stedman, explained that the $1,000  request is                                                                   
for paperwork and analysis.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SB  223  was   heard  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:56:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 224                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  providing for and  relating to the  issuance of                                                                   
     obligation bonds  for the purpose of paying  the cost of                                                                   
     state  transportation  projects;  and providing  for  an                                                                   
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS,  DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  OF HIGHWAYS  AND PUBLIC                                                                   
FACILITIES,   DEPARTMENT   OF   TRANSPORTATION   AND   PUBLIC                                                                   
FACILITIES,   referred  to   a   handout  entitled,   "Alaska                                                                   
Department of  Transportation &  Public Facilities -  GO Bond                                                                   
Projects"  (copy on file.)   He  explained that the  projects                                                                   
requested  in SB  224  are spread  throughout  the state  and                                                                   
address four of  the department's goals: to  increase safety,                                                                   
promote   economic   development,  reduce   congestion,   and                                                                   
preserve existing assets.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards reported that the  project on pages 2-4 "Dowling                                                                   
Road: Old Seward Highway to Minnesota  Drive" is a congestion                                                                   
relief project.   It upgrades Dowling Road from  two lanes to                                                                   
four lanes from Old Seward Highway  to Minnesota Drive.  This                                                                   
project and  the Highway  to Highway  Connection are  the two                                                                   
largest projects  in the Connect Anchorage Initiative,  a 10-                                                                   
year congestion relief program  funded by state, federal, and                                                                   
local funds.   It  is part of  the municipality's  long-range                                                                   
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  explained that this  project is located  in the                                                                   
geographic  center   of  the  Anchorage  bowl,   which  lacks                                                                   
east/west  corridors.   It would  relieve  congestion in  the                                                                   
heart  of  the city.    Mr. Richards  explained  the  various                                                                   
phases of the project as depicted on the chart on page 3.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  related that this  upgrade would  divert 23,000                                                                   
vehicles per day  to Dowling Road.  Tudor and  Diamond have 3                                                                   
of the  top 12 accident  locations within Anchorage  and this                                                                   
project would greatly increase  safety by reducing accidents.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:59:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  turned to  pages 5-7  to explain the  "Northern                                                                   
Access to  University -  Medical District Study".   It  is an                                                                   
economic  development  project   and  would  improve  traffic                                                                   
conditions  in  the  University  -  Medical  District.    Mr.                                                                   
Richards used the  diagram on page 6 to depict  the currently                                                                   
congested northern  access to the University  - Medical area.                                                                   
He  pointed  out  that  this area  has  more  employees  than                                                                   
downtown Anchorage,  and he predicted  that job  growth would                                                                   
outpace both state and city averages.   It is hoped that this                                                                   
project would improve safety in this area.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards described the "Dalton  Highway M & O Proposed FY                                                                   
09 Project" on pages 8-9.  It  would improve 121 miles of the                                                                   
Dalton Highway,  the lifeline  to the  oil fields in  Prudhoe                                                                   
Bay, which is  a challenge in the extreme Arctic.   Improving                                                                   
this road  would meet the needs  of access to the  oil fields                                                                   
and to future gas line fields.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:02:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards explained  that  the "Kenai  Peninsula  Borough                                                                   
Roads" project  on page 10  addresses safety needs,  economic                                                                   
development, and  quality of life  within the  Kenai Borough.                                                                   
Project funds  would be used  to improve drainage,  resurface                                                                   
deteriorating  pavement,  and  pave  existing  gravel  roads.                                                                   
This project  would supplement the Borough's  project funding                                                                   
for its 5-year plan.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards turned  to pages 11 and 12, "Snake  River Bridge                                                                   
-  Nome",  which he  termed  a  safety  project.   This  road                                                                   
provides access  to the  city's power  plant, port,  and post                                                                   
office hub.   All  freight must  cross the bridge.   It  is a                                                                   
safety issue for aircraft.  The  bridge would be relocated to                                                                   
the east.  Mr.  Richards described the damage  the bridge has                                                                   
sustained.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Richards  reported   on  the   "Parks  Highway   Weight                                                                   
Restriction Elimination  Program" on pages 13 and  13.  There                                                                   
is a  goal to  reduce weight  restrictions  in the spring  by                                                                   
making  improvements  to the  road.    The project  would  be                                                                   
focused on Milepost 72 - 90.   He described the damage due to                                                                   
water  during thawing.   He  explained the  economic cost  of                                                                   
weight restrictions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:05:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards described  the project  entitled "Windy  Corner                                                                   
Seward  Highway PM  105-107",  on pages  15-18,  as a  safety                                                                   
project due  to traffic congestion  and to wildlife  viewing.                                                                   
This area  is a  major attraction  with Dahl  Sheep near  the                                                                   
highway.    The  project  would  move  the  highway  and  the                                                                   
railroad  out into  Turnagain  Arm and  create  a safe  sheep                                                                   
viewing area.   He shared statistics about fatalities  on the                                                                   
road.  The legislature did appropriate  $2 million in 2006 to                                                                   
construct passing lanes; however,  environmental restrictions                                                                   
require shifting the road out into Turnagain Arm.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:08:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards   explained  the  "Southeast   Region  Pavement                                                                   
Rehabilitation"  on  pages  19  - 23.    It  would  resurface                                                                   
failing sections of three highways:  Mitkof Highway, Craig to                                                                   
Klawock  Highway,  and Glacier  Highway.   He  described  the                                                                   
reasons for paving the various highway sections.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards  related  that   the  "Steese  Highway/Johansen                                                                   
Expressway Area  Traffic Improvements" are shown  on pages 24                                                                   
- 26.  The focus of the work would  be on turn lanes, signing                                                                   
and signal improvements,  and pedestrian access.   He pointed                                                                   
to the causes of increased traffic in the area.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked if any  of these projects are  in the                                                                   
Statewide   Transportation    Improvement   Program    (STIP)                                                                   
federally funded project.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:11:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  OTTESEN,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF  PROGRAM  DEVELOPMENT,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND  PUBLIC FACILITIES, reported                                                                   
that  none  of  the  projects  are  Statewide  Transportation                                                                   
Improvement Programs.   Co-Chair Hoffman asked  if they would                                                                   
be eligible.  Mr. Ottenson said  they would be eligible.  Co-                                                                   
Chair Hoffman commented about  a project that could have been                                                                   
included  in the  bond  package.   Deputy  Commissioner  John                                                                   
McKinnon felt that the project  should have been included due                                                                   
to  safety  concerns on  the  Wood  River Bridge.    Co-Chair                                                                   
Hoffman reported  that he received documents  saying that the                                                                   
project met the  highest standard of public  safety concerns.                                                                   
He  noted that  the  needs of  Southeast  and Western  Alaska                                                                   
districts,  which   compromise  about   25  percent   of  the                                                                   
population, are  very lean.  He  voiced concern that  most of                                                                   
the dollars are going to repairs to existing road systems.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  responded that  the projects  listed on  the GO                                                                   
Bond  package  were  presented   by  the  department  to  the                                                                   
Governor's office  keeping in  mind the Governor's  desire to                                                                   
keep the  projects, both  the general  fund capital  projects                                                                   
and the  bond projects,  to a reasonable  level.   There were                                                                   
projects that did not make the cut.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested a  list of projects  be submitted                                                                   
to the committee.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:15:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman noted  that  many of  the  projects are  to                                                                   
address Anchorage's transportation  problems.  He pointed out                                                                   
that Tudor  Road has caused many  problems, yet there  are no                                                                   
specific  projects aimed  at resolving  that situation.   Mr.                                                                   
Richards  reported that  work was  completed in  2006 on  the                                                                   
Tudor Road Project  and the Elmore Road was  completed, which                                                                   
relieved congestion  on Tudor  Road.  He  spoke again  of the                                                                   
Connect  Anchorage  Initiative  and  how  the  department  is                                                                   
working to help  relieve congestion.   Co-Chair  Hoffman said                                                                   
he did  not see  solutions to  the Lake  Otis and Tudor  Road                                                                   
congestion.    Mr.  Richards  explained  that  new  alternate                                                                   
routes would relieve congestion at that intersection.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:17:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Elton  expressed   frustration   at  the   pavement                                                                   
rehabilitation on  Glacier Highway.  He stressed  that safety                                                                   
needs are the first priority.   He pointed out the hazards in                                                                   
the mile  and a half  section of that  road: a major  highway                                                                   
past  three university  entrances, a  major federal  facility                                                                   
located on  a blind corner,  four different speed  changes, a                                                                   
major  intersection,  a  major   harbor,  a  private  harbor,                                                                   
several businesses,  a grade school,  and a fire  department.                                                                   
He  wondered why  there was  no discussion  of the  dangerous                                                                   
elements  on  this section  of  road.    He argued  that  new                                                                   
pavement will  not address those  issues.  He  requested more                                                                   
consideration for that stretch of road.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:20:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards recalled  the study  regarding realigning  that                                                                   
section  of the  road.   He  did not  know  where that  study                                                                   
stands.   He explained that  the project described  addresses                                                                   
the unsafe surface  of the road.  Co-Chair  Stedman asked Mr.                                                                   
Richards to get back to the committee  on accident studies on                                                                   
that section of highway.  Mr. Richards agreed to that.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:23:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested information about the  life cycle                                                                   
of pavement upgrades.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards talked  about the life cycle of  asphalt.  There                                                                   
are  preventative actions  to be  taken that  can extend  the                                                                   
life of pavement up to 30 years.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  said the roads  he drives do not  appear to                                                                   
be  lasting that  long.   Some  are very  rough  and hard  to                                                                   
drive.   He requested  more information on  the subject.   He                                                                   
also  wondered  why  normal  maintenance  would  need  to  be                                                                   
bonded.   Mr. Richards thought  that this was  an opportunity                                                                   
to get  in on  the existing  bond market  where bonds  can be                                                                   
purchased for  a relatively low  amount and keep  the general                                                                   
fund  capital budget  in  the $300  million  to $400  million                                                                   
range.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  questioned the  size  of  the request  for                                                                   
major  upgrades.   He mentioned  other projects  such as  the                                                                   
Gravina Access  Bridge and the replacement of  ferries, which                                                                   
would have a longer life than any paving project.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:27:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   had  concerns   about  the  policy   call                                                                   
regarding  which projects  were  selected and  why they  were                                                                   
selected.  He termed it too narrow  of a scope and not taking                                                                   
the opportunity to  drive the economy forward.   He requested                                                                   
the analysis for how non-STIP  items were flushed out and how                                                                   
they  were  processed  to  create  the  project  list.    The                                                                   
committee  needs to have  a better  understanding of  why the                                                                   
projects were selected.   He also requested to  know if there                                                                   
was any  public involvement  to  the selection  or if it  was                                                                   
internally generated without public input.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman referred to Sections  4-5 in the bill, which                                                                   
were  not mentioned  in the  presentations.   One involves  a                                                                   
grant to Anchorage  of $10 million for a port  expansion, and                                                                   
the  other  is for  $9  million  for  a South  Denali  Access                                                                   
project.   He  wondered how  the  two projects  fit with  the                                                                   
department's goals and other criteria to develop the list.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:30:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought that  presentation might  be coming                                                                   
up.                                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Hoffman reiterated a  request to receive information                                                                   
on how the projects fit the criteria used.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  responded that  there were representatives  who                                                                   
could  speak about  those  two  projects.   Co-Chair  Hoffman                                                                   
pointed out  that the  only local  government project  in the                                                                   
whole  package is  a grant to  Anchorage.   He questioned  if                                                                   
other communities would benefit by a grant.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards pointed  out that there was a  project for Kenai                                                                   
Peninsula Borough roads.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman turned  to page 2, line 12,  and asked about                                                                   
the department's flexibility to  reallocate between projects.                                                                   
He thought  that provision  was too  permissive and  gave the                                                                   
department too much leeway.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested that  the department rank the list                                                                   
of projects on page 2 of the bill.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT   OF   TRANSPORTATION   AND   PUBLIC   FACILITIES,                                                                   
explained that  the allocation language  was put in  the bill                                                                   
to   give  flexibility   to  move   monies  between   capital                                                                   
construction  projects,  to  do  a  "revised  program".    It                                                                   
requires the approval of the Governor's  Office of Management                                                                   
and  Budget, and  justification has  to be  provided for  any                                                                   
money being transferred.  Legislative  Finance is informed of                                                                   
the revised programs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:34:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  suggested that the committee  does not have                                                                   
a  high  comfort  level  with  DOT's  prioritization  of  the                                                                   
selected projects.   Mr. Richards offered to get  back to the                                                                   
committee with more information.   The department did look at                                                                   
the specific projects  using criteria, scored  them, and then                                                                   
ranked  them.  Mr.  Richards noted  that they  were not  STIP                                                                   
projects, but  he offered to evaluate  them as such  and then                                                                   
provide that information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman did not believe  there was a lot of validity                                                                   
in the STIP process.  He wished  to have the legislature more                                                                   
involved with  DOT in  the evaluation  process over  the next                                                                   
several  years  as  the  state prepares  for  the  large  gas                                                                   
pipeline  project.    He maintained  that  the  STIP  process                                                                   
changes  too often.   He voiced  concern that  there was  not                                                                   
enough input  from the  public.   He suggested when  updating                                                                   
the 30-year  plan, to  remember that  the legislature  is the                                                                   
appropriating  body.     He  urged  DOT  to   work  with  the                                                                   
legislature in order to facilitate  projects that are funded.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:37:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  mentioned a project he has  been working on                                                                   
for  15  years  that was  originally  included  in  the  STIP                                                                   
program.   The Wood  River Bridge  is ready for  construction                                                                   
and  is a  public  safety  issue  in the  Dillingham  region.                                                                   
Senator  Stevens has  spent vast  amounts of  money on  other                                                                   
projects,  but this  Dillingham  project has  still not  been                                                                   
brought forward.  Co-Chair Hoffman  reported that he received                                                                   
assurance  from  Mr.  McKinnon   that  the  project  met  all                                                                   
qualifications.   He  maintained  that the  project has  been                                                                   
ignored by DOT for the last 15 years.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson spoke of personal  experience with having lived                                                                   
in Dillingham.   He added that Dillingham has  no access over                                                                   
its river  and it is  a safety issue.   He spoke in  favor of                                                                   
the project.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Thomas  inquired  about   the  Windy  Corner  Seward                                                                   
Highway project.  He asked if  materials from the hillside of                                                                   
the road  could not  be removed  due to  sheep habitat.   Mr.                                                                   
Richards  reported  that  the  environmental  issue  is  that                                                                   
cutting thru the hillside affects  the sheep feeding habitat.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas asked where the  fill material will come from.                                                                   
Mr. Richards  explained that the  material for  the railroad,                                                                   
the turnout, and  the passing lane will come  from commercial                                                                   
sources  in Anchorage  or Girdwood.   Senator Thomas  thought                                                                   
there might be usable material from the uphill side.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:41:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton  expressed  a   need  to  understand  how  the                                                                   
projects were selected.  He wished  they had been run through                                                                   
STIP criteria.   He  reported that  his understanding  of the                                                                   
process is that it was a lot less  rigorous than the one used                                                                   
last  year by  the Senate  on  capital construction  projects                                                                   
where members of the community  were consulted about what was                                                                   
needed.    He   noted  that  Co-Chair  Stedman   had  already                                                                   
requested information on how these  projects were chosen.  He                                                                   
summarized  that the  selection process  lacked the  rigorous                                                                   
review it should have had.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:43:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN DUFFY, BOROUGH  MANAGER, MATSU BOROUGH,  related that he                                                                   
was  encouraged   that  the  legislature  and   Governor  are                                                                   
considering    the   funding    of   needed    transportation                                                                   
improvements  throughout  Alaska.   He  expressed  particular                                                                   
interest  in the  proposed Parks  Highway weight  restriction                                                                   
elimination  portion of  the legislation.   He maintained  it                                                                   
would be  more prudent to invest  money in the  Parks Highway                                                                   
Church Road to Big Lake segment,  which is currently rated as                                                                   
the second most dangerous road in Alaska.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy  expressed interest in  and support for  the access                                                                   
road to the proposed South Denali  Visitors' Center, which is                                                                   
included  in the  bill.   He  related  that  an Institute  of                                                                   
Social and Economic Research (ISER)  study concluded that the                                                                   
Center  would  require additional  construction  and  provide                                                                   
more  jobs,  resulting in  a  large  economic impact  to  the                                                                   
borough.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:46:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
FORMER GOVERNOR BILL SHEFFIELD,  DIRECTOR, PORT OF ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
explained  that the  project  for expansion  of  the Port  of                                                                   
Anchorage is  a statewide  project.  He  pointed out  that 75                                                                   
percent of  all freight  that comes  to Alaska comes  through                                                                   
this port.   It  is old and  needs updating.   There  will be                                                                   
seven slips  built.  The  project requires $100  million over                                                                   
next 5  years to complete.   The  recommendation was  for $20                                                                   
million in general funds and $80  million in bonds.  There is                                                                   
a need  for $20 million  this year in  general funds  to keep                                                                   
the project going.   Some federal and local  funds contribute                                                                   
to the project.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman recognized  that  the  Governor vetoed  the                                                                   
Port's $10 million request last year.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:50:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  KING,   DIRECTOR,  DIVISION   OF  PARKS  AND   OUTDOOR                                                                   
RECREATION,  DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL  RESOURCES, informed  that                                                                   
committee that  the South Denali  Visitor Center  project has                                                                   
been  talked about  for 40  years.   For the  first time  the                                                                   
majority  of the  people are  now  behind the  project.   The                                                                   
proposed  project is  to  build a  four-mile  access road  to                                                                   
Curry  Ridge  for a  new  visitor  center which  would  serve                                                                   
Alaskans and visitors to Alaska,  providing an opportunity to                                                                   
share Denali.   It will be  a year-round visitor  center with                                                                   
many proposed uses.  It would  provide an economic benefit to                                                                   
the area with  jobs and support services.   The funding would                                                                   
involve  $8.9  million  from  the bond  package  as  well  as                                                                   
federal government  funds, National  Park Service  funds, and                                                                   
other sources, such  as from Scenic Byways.   The state needs                                                                   
to  step up  first with  the $8.9  million  for building  the                                                                   
road.    It  is a  partnership  involving  the  state,  MatSu                                                                   
Borough, National Park Service, businesses, and the public.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  pointed out that State Parks  would testify                                                                   
in the future, in more depth, about this project.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 236                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act establishing the Alaska transportation fund and                                                                    
     relating to the fund; and providing for an effective                                                                       
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SB 236 was scheduled but not heard.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:54 AM.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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